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Answering the question "What happens if two investigators each have The Thing That Follows as their random basic weakness (as they have constructed their decks from separate collections) and the second The Thing That Follows is drawn while the first is in play?": "Good question! The first Thing stays in play and the second Thing is discarded without effect."
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Q: Question about FAQ 1.13: "(1.13) Shuffling A Card Into An Empty Player/Encounter Deck A single card cannot be shuffled into an empty player deck or encounter deck via card effect. If this shuffling would occur during the playing or revelation of a card that is typically discarded after it is resolved, such as an event or treachery card, it is discarded. Otherwise, the card remains in its current game area." How does this interact with cards such as Rex's Curse, Kleptomania, and The Thing That Follows? For example, if you fail a skill test as Rex due to Rex's Curse while you have an empty player deck, does Rex's Curse get discarded (because it is a treachery while it is being resolved and generally speaking treacheries do to the discard pile) or does Rex's Curse remain in play (because Rex's Curse specifically would never be discarded so by 1.13 it remains in its current game area)? Similarly for trying to clear Kleptomania with an empty player deck or defeating The Thing That Follows with an empty player deck.
A: If your player deck is empty when you would discard those cards: (1) Rex’s Curse would stay in play, as it cannot be shuffled into an empty deck, and the rules that would discard such a card don’t apply to it. (2) Kleptomania would stay in play for the same reasons as Rex’s Curse. (3) The Thing That Follows would be discarded instead. This is mainly because of process of elimination; it’s an enemy with no health remaining so it can’t stay in play, but it can’t be shuffled into the player’s deck, so in the end it’s discarded. (November 2023 Rules Submission)
적. 기본 약점
괴물. 저주.
출현 - 당신의 위치에서 가장 먼 장소.
먹잇감 - 오직 이 약점의 보유자만 쫓습니다.
사냥꾼.
강제 - ‘뒤따라 오는 존재’가 쓰러지려 할 때: 그 대신 이 카드를 보유자의 덱에 섞어넣습니다.
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This is my favorite Basic Weakness, and I'm writing this review in the hopes that future game designers can take a hint on how to do mechanics like this well.
First of all, while by far my favorite, it is not the card I would chose to put in a deck (not that any of us would pick and choose with a random card selection, right? Riiiiiight?). But when I draw any other random weakness, my thoughts tend to range from "okay, I can deal with this," to "aw, crap. This is gonna be a pain to deal with." The Thing That Follows is the only Basic Weakness that instills an actual emotion in me- a sense of giddy dread.
This card is like a well paced horror movie. It makes every draw an anxious roll of the dice, wondering if this time the unseen Thing is going to crawl out and mess up your day. And while that can be said of pretty much any weakness card, the trick of The Thing That Follows is how it repeats itself. Once you draw the card, the cycle of tension repeats as it moves closer and closer to you across the map. Even if you manage to beat it into submission (not all that unlikely with its stats, but hard enough to mess up some endgame plans), it just returns to your deck, only this time with significantly fewer cards on hand to lower the chances of picking it up again.
It is a masterpiece of the tension/release cycle that is crucial to all forms of horror. Long buildups of dread as you feel it coming, punchy moments of action as it resolves, and repeat. Not scary because it ruins your day, but because no mater how many ways you find to deal with it, it always Follows.
Helping matters is that it's one of the most narratively cohesive Basic Weaknesses out right now. (What, exactly, does Paranoia have to do with resources?) But with the Thing, everything from the name to the art to the quote to the mechanics all serve to instill that key emotion. Not fright, but dread. Consuming, unavoidable dread.
Bravo, Fantasy Flight. You've made a business out of turning Cosmic Horror into game mechanics, and with this one you knocked it out of the park.
Recursive weaknesses require much more management than others, unless you are playing a slow draw deck or maybe Tommy. While this may not be a particularly tough monster, drawing it 4-5 times in a scenario can really slow your tempo.
You'll either need to invest in some cards that let you discard from your deck, like Alyssa Graham or Scroll of Secrets, or keep the Thing alive and evaded until your deck flips. Bind Monster can be useful, or Banish if the map is large enough. Survivors might try traps or tricks, like Hiding Spot or Snare Trap to keep it neutralized while they draw through the rest of their deck.
Finally, Mind Wipe is the ultimate card to defeat this enemy for good, as it would clear the forced effect and let the monster discard as normal. Hope you have someone who can play Mystic 1 events!
Relevant "prey" + "only" rule for reference :
If an enemy's prey instructions contain the word "only," that enemy only moves towards and engages that investigator (as if it were the only investigator in play), and ignores all other investigators while moving and engaging. Other investigators may use the engage action or card abilities to engage the enemy.
- Non-bearer cannot stand on its way to get the engagement.
It is also costly to help because you need an engage action. - If the bearer got eliminated/resigned from the campaign it simply stay still and everyone else can pass through.