Testless Trish (Deck Guide)

I'm drawing inspiration from the cycling Mandy deck I saw on here: what are your thoughts on running Dream enhancing serum, practice makes perfect, 3 aces, occult lexicon?

@homeuraa I think Trish's goals are a little different from Mandy's. I believe Cuherdir's Mandy deck pushes cycling because it wants to see multiple Sleight of Hands on Necronomicon, using Quick Thinking and Double or Nothing in conjunction with 3 aces to push for generating economy and actions. You can certainly play a more draw-octane based Trish like that. You would probably drop the Skeleton Key / Lola package and focus solely on maximizing recurring Pendant in that build.

Definitely, something you should try. I mean with new investigators, comes new ways to try to play the game, so I did want to try to find a Trish build that has some identity to it that isn't a repurposed Mandy deck.

The Cypher card is so interesting...

Are you sure that Skeleton Key works with it?

Pretty sure it doesn't work the way he thinks. The Skeleton Key would change the shroud to 1, then Cryptographic Cypher would add 1. Still a 2 shroud should be pretty easy for Trish.

re:@eapfel, @Rohanna, the Skeleton Key works with Cryptographic Cypher. From the Key's FAQ: 'If an effect "sets" the value of a statistic, that overrides all other modifiers... It is worth noting that this answer would be different if it set its "base" value – the "base" value of something is the value before modifiers are applied, so that would allow it to be modified afterward. But here Skeleton Key sets its value to 1, AKA the total value after all modifications.'

@Zinthoswell isn't that something! It sure isn't intuitive, but I'll take it!

Yes! Basically Cypher is a free investigate action using the fast trigger to avoid attacks to opportunity and potentially evade an enemy for free in the process.

Cypher works like obscuring fog and flashlight and do not "set" the base value like skeleton key does. As a result, both options from cypher investigate at a shroud of 1 when skeleton key is attached to said location.

Some very clever ideas here. It's interesting to see an off-class seeker effectively play as a seeker but with the best of rogue to supplement it. I'm not convinced by Skeleton Key, but there are some cool synergies.

@chirubime i'm sorry but your deck is a very bad builded, your tips are around of a very bad deck. Let me recommed you to play the Game first. And if you have already played, let me say that you dont know how play well. Where are the 2x cards? Sure you're the classic player that play 1x cards and when success the scenario say: UOHH! I'm a the best deckbuilder!! Blind men... ;)

@CEBOLLITAThat seems a bit uncalled for.

@chirubimethanks for the cool deck (with description). Like @KingsGambit, I'm a bit unconvinced by The Skeleton Key in Trish, mostly because picking the key up and playing it on a new location feels pretty slow for a deck that wants to go really fast. Do you often use it on more than one location in a game, or just save it up to make a high shroud location easy?

@DigitalAgeHermit I think it depends on your play group's size. I play often with 3p or 4p. I would absolutely not play Skeleton Key in a 2p game because the amount of time you spend on each location is so brief. and... this is already a very specialized way to play Trish that cannot sustain solo play.

The Skeleton Key works much better when you're bringing investigators with 3 Intellect with another primary function like Diana, Tommy, Roland, Jim, who can benefit from grouping with you and investigating the same location together. Because you keep your enemies evaded, it also frees up a lot of actions and time required to deal with enemies, which makes up for Key that requiring a little more setup.

That being said, Trish has a lot of Rogue and Seeker action compression such as Lola, Pendant, Cypher so I don't feel terrible about picking up Skeleton Key. In most of my scenarios, I didn't pick up the key more than 2-3 times. I saved it for very crucial locations for sure and relied on Pendant for the other situations. Maybe Pendant is just so good that it was carrying a slightly inefficient Skeleton Key.

There are also ways to really push Skeleton Key to be better, if you ran 1 Lockpick, Haste, Pathfinder and Key, you can Lift Key, Pathfinder to a connecting location, Place Key, use Haste's mimiced on Lockpick or something.

I hope you'll try it in a larger playgroup and see if Skeleton Key is worth playing. Tbh, I steered away from the Key in all my other cluever decks, but it felt pretty rewarding to play going into campaigns/scenarios you've played before and can play around.

@DigitalAgeHermit I realize my response may not have been sufficient in providing good alternatives for 2p Trish plays.

A lot of the Lola discounted clue tricks were originally done with Flashlight. If you were in a 2p game, I think subbing out Skeleton Key for a few Flashlights with some added Sleight of Hands could also work really well. That deck would probably need to play Obfuscation because you'd not end up using Lola until you started an investigation which would trigger attacks of opportunity.

@chirubime You make a pretty compelling argument for it; I haven't had a chance to play high player count in a while (for obvious reasons), but I'll give it a shot the next time I get a chance

@homeuraa Check out my Trish Scarborough that I just posted for an answer to your question about a cycling Trish. We've been running one through RtPTC and she is INSANE.

@chirubime Even if you aren't going for cycling, it seems almost criminal to be running Deduction and Perception without Practice Makes Perfect!

@Death by Chocolate They are indeed in the lvl 0 version of the deck. Not that I don't value cycling and card draw and reusing them, but i simply valued always being able to trigger Lola (and thus more economy cards) for my team's configuration. They were more flex investigators who could investigate a decent bit, but needed me to be the primary evader so I leaned into that. Feel free to keep Practice Makes Perfect instead of Burning the Midnight Oil when upgrading i guess

I'm going to try a deck that incorporates both of the ideas of the front page decks.

Stop fucking building decks. Even if they are good decks, stop fucking spamming them.

@josephmelecaThat's certainly a hot-take. Seven (highly popular) decklists is hardly 'spamming'. And it isn't like they're just adding decks to the repository. chirubime puts a lot of clear thought and explanation into both the card choices and deck piloting. Your toxicity isn't wanted here.

@chirubimeJudging from the likes on this decklist, many people enjoy your decks and writeups. Please don’t let negativity in the comments deter you from contributing. I’m looking forward to taking your Trish tech into my next campaign.

Thank you for the kind words @Zinthos @Death by Chocolate @DigitalAgeHermit ! I'm not bothered and I really hope everyone tries to just draw inspiration from each other. Trish has so much diversity and flexibility when it comes to her cardpool. This build could honestly get a little dull because your objectives are so linear.

If you're upset with the decks, don't feel like they are the law, just think of them as jumping off points and maybe you wouldn't feel so harshly towards them@josephmeleca @CEBOLLITA

Constructive criticism would be one thing, but toxic comments like that can get to people and could discourage people from publishing their decks in the future.

It's clear a lot of time and thought go into these write ups. Decklists like these with thorough explanations of why specific choices are made for a deck make a big difference to the community and demonstrate the thought process to those looking to learn to build their own decks. I'm glad you publish them and hope you continue to do so :D

I do have a few words to also add about @CEBOLLITApoint about 1x cards in a decklist. It is easy to assume that if a card is worth including in your deck, it is worth including twice, and there is certainly an evolution of understanding deckbuilding where a player comes in to the game without that realization, and eventually it 'clicks' (or the community convinces them), but as you continue to play, you will eventually realize that there are exceptions.

If you absolutely NEED to draw a card for your deck to function, then yes, include 2 copies, even if they can't both be in play (such as unique cards, or 'limit 1 in play'). If a card is good no matter how many times you draw it (such as many skills or efficient events), then yes, include 2 copies.

However, some cards are not essential for deck functionality, but are still good to draw once, (such as solid, but not critical assets, and highly conditional events) however drawing a second copy is always going to be a dead card in hand, then you are probably better running two different 1x cards that you're happy to see once and can live without seeing, than 2 copies of that one card.

This is further compounded if your deck has very strong search or draw, so the reliability of hitting your 1x cards (if needed) or eschewing them (if not) is much higher. With Mr. "Rook", that is very much the case in this deck.

@josephmeleca Lol. Are you for real? Since when is it bad with a lot of decks? Especially decks with awesome write ups!

Why Cipher over Flashlight, if you not gonna use the fast action?

@RancordWhat gives you the idea the fast action of the Cypher isn't being used? One of the points of this deck is the interaction between the Cypher and the Skeleton Key.

Rook taboo is pretty rough on this deck, Segment is still a must even with 4 exp. You can easily earn extra exp with Charons. Rely on Whitton Greene(2) and Backpack(2) to find your Relic/Items and this deck should still manage. Gl!

Any suggestions what to swap out Mr. Rook with?

Losing Rook means that Shadow Agents can't be played around via Rook. Replace Rook and Astounding Revelation with Whitton Greene(2), Eureka, and Obfuscation.

Get this card in the Lvl 0 version of the deck!!!! Breaking and Entering

@chirubimethank you for your great decks. If I decide not to adhere to the taboo list, are there any changes that would make this deck a real blast? I'm thinking #Elusive, #Quick thinking...

Hi @chirubime I did not get the point of using Witton Greene (due to Mr Rook Tabboo), since the 0xp deck uses no Tome or Relic.. Could you explain this change? Thanks!

I don't really understand the point of your 0 Exp deck? Alot of card draw and alot of resource gain but nothing to really spend it on?

which cards would you ditch from the 0 XP starter deck to replace with breaking and entering?

@chirubime Do you have a straight line upgrading path we can use I'm still new to Arkham and don't know what I need to take out for upgrades?